Last month, the U.S. Army announced 17
soldiers in Iraq, including a brigadier general, had been removed
from duty after charges of mistreating Iraqi prisoners.
But the details of what happened have been kept secret, until
now.
It turns out photographs surfaced showing American soldiers
abusing and humiliating Iraqis being held at a prison near Baghdad.
The Army investigated, and issued a scathing report.
Now, an Army general and her command staff may face the end of
long military careers. And six soldiers are facing court martial in
Iraq -- and possible prison time.
Correspondent Dan Rather talks to one of those soldiers.
And, for the first time, 60 Minutes II will show some of the
pictures that led to the Army investigation.
According to the U.S. Army, one Iraqi prisoner was told to stand
on a box with his head covered, wires attached to his hands. He was
told that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted.
It was this picture, and dozens of others, that prompted an
investigation by the U.S. Army. On Tuesday, 60 Minutes II
asked Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, deputy director of coalition
operations in Iraq, what went wrong.
“Frankly, I think all of us are disappointed by the actions of
the few,” says Kimmitt. “Every day, we love our soldiers, but
frankly, some days we're not always proud of our soldiers."
For decades under Saddam Hussein, many prisoners who were taken
to the Abu Ghraib prison never came out. It was the centerpiece of
Saddam’s empire of fear, and those prisoners who did make it out
told nightmarish tales of torture beyond imagining – and executions
without reason.
60 Minutes II talked about the prison and shared pictures
of what Americans did there with two men who have extensive
interrogation experience: Former Marine Lt. Col. Bill Cowan and
former CIA Bureau Chief Bob Baer.
"I visited Abu Ghraib a couple of days after it was liberated. It
was the most awful sight I've ever seen. I said, ‘If there's ever a
reason to get rid of Saddam Hussein, it's because of Abu Ghraib,'”
says Baer. “There were bodies that were eaten by dogs, torture. You
know, electrodes coming out of the walls. It was an awful place."
"We went into Iraq to stop things like this from happening, and
indeed, here they are happening under our tutelage,” says Cowan.
It was American soldiers serving as military police at Abu Ghraib
who took these pictures. The investigation started when one soldier
got them from a friend, and gave them to his commanders. 60
Minutes II has a dozen of these pictures, and there are many
more – pictures that show Americans, men and women in military
uniforms, posing with naked Iraqi prisoners.
There are shots of the prisoners stacked in a pyramid, one with a
slur written on his skin in English.
In some, the male prisoners are positioned to simulate sex with
each other. And in most of the pictures, the Americans are laughing,
posing, pointing, or giving the camera a thumbs-up.
60 Minutes II was only able to contact one of the soldiers
facing charges. But the Army says they are all in Iraq, awaiting
court martial.
"What can the Army say specifically to Iraqis and others who are
going to see this and take it personally," Rather asked Kimmitt, in
an interview conducted by satellite from Baghdad.
"The first thing I’d say is we’re appalled as well. These are our
fellow soldiers. These are the people we work with every day, and
they represent us. They wear the same uniform as us, and they let
their fellow soldiers down,” says Kimmitt.
“Our soldiers could be taken prisoner as well. And we expect our
soldiers to be treated well by the adversary, by the enemy. And if
we can't hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with
dignity and respect … We can't ask that other nations to that to our
soldiers as well."
“So what would I tell the people of Iraq? This is wrong. This is
reprehensible. But this is not representative of the 150,000
soldiers that are over here,” adds Kimmitt. “I'd say the same thing
to the American people... Don't judge your army based on the actions
of a few."
One of the soldiers facing court martial is Army Reserve Staff
Sgt. Chip Frederick.
Frederick is charged with maltreatment for allegedly
participating in and setting up a photo, and for posing in a
photograph by sitting on top of a detainee. He is charged with an
indecent act for observing one scene. He is also charged with
assault for allegedly striking detainees – and ordering detainees to
strike each other.
60 Minutes II talked with him by phone from Baghdad, where
he is awaiting court martial.
Frederick told us he will plead not guilty, claiming the way the
Army was running the prison led to the abuse of prisoners.
“We had no support, no training whatsoever. And I kept asking my
chain of command for certain things...like rules and regulations,”
says Frederick. “And it just wasn't happening."
Six months before he faced a court martial, Frederick sent home a
video diary of his trip across the country. Frederick, a reservist,
said he was proud to serve in Iraq. He seemed particularly
well-suited for the job at Abu Ghraib. He’s a corrections officer at
a Virginia prison, whose warden described Frederick to us as “one of
the best.”
Frederick says Americans came into the prison: “We had military
intelligence, we had all kinds of other government agencies, FBI,
CIA ... All those that I didn't even know or recognize."
Frederick's letters and email messages home also offer clues to
problems at the prison. He wrote that he was helping the
interrogators:
"Military intelligence has encouraged and told us 'Great job.' "
"They usually don't allow others to watch them interrogate. But
since they like the way I run the prison, they have made an
exception."
"We help getting them to talk with the way we handle them. ...
We've had a very high rate with our style of getting them to break.
They usually end up breaking within hours."
According to the Army’s own investigation, that’s what was
happening. The Army found that interrogators asked reservists
working in the prison to prepare the Iraqi detainees, physically and
mentally, for questioning.
“What, if any actions, are being taken against the interrogators?
"I hope the investigation is including not only the people who
committed the crimes, but some of the people that might have
encouraged these crimes as well,” says Kimmitt. “Because they
certainly share some level of responsibility as well."
But so far, none of the interrogators at Abu Ghraib are facing
criminal charges. In fact, a number of them are civilians, and
military law doesn’t apply to them.
One of the civilian interrogators at Abu Ghraib was questioned by
the Army, and he told investigators he had "broken several tables
during interrogations, unintentionally," while trying to "fear up"
prisoners. He denied hurting anyone.
In our phone conversation, 60 Minutes II asked Frederick
whether he had seen any prisoners beaten.
“I saw things. We had to use force sometimes to get the inmates
to cooperate, just like our rules of engagement said,” says
Frederick. “We learned a little bit of Arabic, basic commands. And
they didn't want to listen, so sometimes, you would just give them a
little nudge or something like that just to get them to cooperate so
we could get the mission accomplished."
Attorney Gary Myers and a judge advocate in Iraq are defending
Frederick. They say he should never have been charged, because of
the failure of his commanders to provide proper training and
standards.
"The elixir of power, the elixir of believing that you're helping
the CIA, for God's sake, when you're from a small town in Virginia,
that's intoxicating,” says Myers. “And so, good guys sometimes do
things believing that they are being of assistance and helping a
just cause. ... And helping people they view as important."
Frederick says he didn't see a copy of the Geneva Convention
rules for handling prisoners of war until after he was charged.
The Army investigation confirms that soldiers at Abu Ghraib were
not trained at all in Geneva Convention rules. And most were
reservists, part-time soldiers who didn't get the kind of
specialized prisoner of war training given to regular Army members.
Frederick also says there were far too few soldiers there for the
number of prisoners: “There was, when I left, there was over 900.
And there was only five soldiers, plus two non-commissioned
officers, in charge for those 900 -- over 900 inmates."
Rather asked Kimmitt about understaffing. "That doesn't condone
individual acts of criminal behavior no matter how tired we are. No
matter how stretched we are, that doesn't give us license and it
doesn't give us the authority to break the law,” says Kimmitt.
“That may have been a contributing factor, but at the end of the
day, this is probably more about leadership, supervision, setting
standards, abiding by the Army values and understanding what's
right, and having the guts to say what's right.”
Brig. Gen. Janice Karpinsky ran Abu Ghraib for the Army. She was
also in charge of three other Army prison facilities that housed
thousands of Iraqi inmates.
The Army investigation determined that her lack of leadership and
clear standards led to problems system wide. Karpinski talked with
60 Minutes’ Steve Kroft last October at Abu Ghraib,
before any of this came out.
"This is international standards,” said Karpinski. “It's the best
care available in a prison facility."
But the Army investigation found serious problems behind the
scenes. The Army has photographs that show a detainee with wires
attached to his genitals. Another shows a dog attacking an Iraqi
prisoner. Frederick said that dogs were “used for intimidation
factors.”
Part of the Army's own investigation is a statement from an Iraqi
detainee who charges a translator - hired to work at the prison -
with raping a male juvenile prisoner: "They covered all the doors
with sheets. I heard the screaming. ...and the female soldier was
taking pictures."
There is also a picture of an Iraqi man who appears to be dead --
and badly beaten.
"It's reprehensible that anybody would be taking a picture of
that situation,” says Kimmitt.
But what about the situation itself?
“I don't know the facts surrounding what caused the bruising and
the bleeding,” says Kimmitt. “If that is also one of the charges
being brought against the soldiers, that too is absolutely
unacceptable and completely outside of what we expect of our
soldiers and our guards at the prisons."
Is there any indication that similar actions may have happened at
other prisons? “I'd like to sit here and say that these are the only
prisoner abuse cases that we're aware of, but we know that there
have been some other ones since we've been here in Iraq,” says
Kimmitt.
When Saddam ran Abu Ghraib prison, Iraqis were too afraid to come
ask for information on their family members.
When 60 Minutes II was there last month, hundreds had
gathered outside the gates, worried about what is going on inside.
"We will be paid back for this. These people at some point will
be let out,” says Cowan. “Their families are gonna know. Their
friends are gonna know."
This is a hard story to have to tell when Americans are fighting
and dying in Iraq. And for Cowan, it’s a personal issue. His son is
an infantry soldier serving in Iraq for the last four months.
Rather asked Cowan what he would say to "that person who is
sitting in their living room and saying, ‘I wish they wouldn't do
this. It's undermining our troops and they shouldn't do it.’"
"If we don't tell this story, these kinds of things will
continue. And we'll end up getting paid back 100 or 1,000 times
over,” says Cowan. “Americans want to be proud of each and
everything that our servicemen and women do in Iraq. We wanna be
proud. We know they're working hard. None of us, now, later, before
or during this conflict, should wanna let incidents like this just
pass."
Kimmitt says the Army will not let what happened at Abu Ghraib
just pass. What does he think is the most important thing for
Americans to know about what has happened?
"I think two things. No. 1, this is a small minority of the
military, and No. 2, they need to understand that is not the Army,”
says Kimmitt. “The Army is a values-based organization. We live by
our values. Some of our soldiers every day die by our values, and
these acts that you see in these pictures may reflect the actions of
individuals, but by God, it doesn't reflect my army."
Two weeks ago, 60 Minutes II received an appeal from the
Defense Department, and eventually from the Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Richard Myers, to delay this broadcast --
given the danger and tension on the ground in Iraq.
60 Minutes II decided to honor that request, while
pressing for the Defense Department to add its perspective to the
incidents at Abu Ghraib prison. This week, with the photos beginning
to circulate elsewhere, and with other journalists about to publish
their versions of the story, the Defense Department agreed to
cooperate in our report.
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